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On taking control.
The Netherlands has elected an anti-EU rightist, but he won’t take the Netherlands out of the European Union. Britain left the EU, but net migration to the UK has soared to its highest levels. What’s going on?
In this special episode, Alex treats Phil and George as interview guests and grills them over their book, Taking Control: Sovereignty and Democracy after Brexit. We discuss:
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Why all the fuss for Brexit, when things have ended up the same as they were before?
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Why Brexit when the same politicians are still in charge?
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Why was no section of society able to lead Brexit with a positive vision of the future?
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Did Brexiteers need a more concrete proposal beyond “democracy”?
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What lessons can be learned from Brexit by others in the EU?
Aufhebunga Bunga 
Great episode. The discussion on how EU membership was a structural obstacle to any sustainable nation building efforts in Great Britain was particularly interesting. Being from Brazil, I was left thinking about the institutional representations in Brazil of the political forces represented by the EU in its member states. Would greatly appreciate an episode that would focus on the challenges faced by Brazil and Latin America in general regarding this matter. Keep up the good work.